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#153151 12/06/09 07:13 PM
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is there any certain way to sign up to run a tournament. i guess seeing that every week we see a tournament being cancelled. does kansas have a deadline to designate a home tournament. my thoughts on this is why doesnt the state body make a deadline like at the state meeting to sit down and schedule a tournament. maybe you will see less kids going out of state to wrestle because you have 5 kansas tournaments and declines the quality of wrestling you will see at those tournaments. if its about the wrestling and not about the money kansas needs to take a look at this. yes every club needs to try and make some money but somehow we have to find a way to have better tournaments in kansas. maybe have more novice tournaments to raise the money and save the bigger tournaments for the competition. now that being said you will not see me at a tournament where i have to pay 30 to enter my kid, 25 for each coach, 20 to park and 10 for all my kids come watch. just some thoughts about kansas. if not then i will continue to wrestle in oklahoma.


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Originally Posted By: bockman
is there any certain way to sign up to run a tournament. i guess seeing that every week we see a tournament being cancelled. does kansas have a deadline to designate a home tournament. my thoughts on this is why doesnt the state body make a deadline like at the state meeting to sit down and schedule a tournament.

Most all of the tournaments are scheduled by the state meeting. They may not be sanctioned at that moment but they are scheduled.

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maybe you will see less kids going out of state to wrestle because you have 5 kansas tournaments and declines the quality of wrestling you will see at those tournaments.

As long as some people believe you can only get better by traveling beyond the state lines and the farther away the better, you will aways see people wrestling outside the state. There is no way to say what Kansas club can or cannot have a tournament on any given weekend because every club is first and foremost limited to dates by the schedule of their facilities.

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if its about the wrestling and not about the money kansas needs to take a look at this.

Whomever said that was wrong. It is first about the money because without the money there will be no tournaments period. Eventually, without the tournaments, there will be no wrestlers.


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now that being said you will not see me at a tournament where i have to pay 30 to enter my kid, 25 for each coach, 20 to park and 10 for all my kids come watch. just some thoughts about kansas. if not then i will continue to wrestle in oklahoma.

With all the criteria for not wrestling in Kansas you have a self fulfilling prophesy that you will be wrestling elsewhere.


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guess that depends on if kansas wakes up and people like you step forward instead of studying for 2 hours to go through my post and take this or take that and put it in your words. now if your such a cool dude and want to see kanas succeed why dont you stop hiding and start making things happen right here in kansas. i come from a club that has 13 wrestlers and practice in a shed so i do go where the competition is. dont really care much about the money. without the money you wont have the tournaments. all i am saying is you dont have to charge 100 dollars for these kids to wrestle. i really dont see any point in charging a coach to coach at a tournament when he has his coaches card. if those coaches have to pay extra to coach some will not go for that reason. if the coaches dont go the kids dont go. if the kids dont go you dont get your money. are you following me now cool dude. i see you post alot of junk on here without your name but dont really see that you do anything else. dont know you and really dont care to either.

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Originally Posted By: bockman
now if your such a cool dude and want to see kanas succeed why dont you stop hiding and start making things happen right here in kansas. i come from a club that has 13 guess that depends on if kansas wakes up and people like you step forward instead of studying for 2 hours to go through my post and take this or take that and put it in your words.

It only took me 5 minutes so I must be a quick study.

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wrestlers and practice in a shed so i do go where the competition is. dont really care much about the money.

I think I found a couple of reasons why you only have 13 wrestlers in your club.

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without the money you wont have the tournaments.

And that is exactly what I am saying as well.

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all i am saying is you dont have to charge 100 dollars for these kids to wrestle. i really dont see any point in charging a coach to coach at a tournament when he has his coaches card. if those coaches have to pay extra to coach some will not go for that reason.

While I can see a reason to charge the coaches it doesn't have anything to do with this conversation. But I thought you and others were all about the "competition". You don't get the facilities to have the "competition" without those high entry fees.

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if the coaches dont go the kids dont go.

And vice versa.

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if the kids dont go you dont get your money. are you following me now cool dude.

And vice versa. I don't know where you got the idea I was a "cool dude" but I am going to accept it as a compliment.

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i see you post alot of junk on here without your name but dont really see that you do anything else.

Does your name make you or your ideas more credible?

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dont know you and really dont care to either.

Exactly!

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yeah i guess that ted anderson tournament had some awesome facilities. better competition than most any big tournament in kansas. cost a heck of a lot cheaper even with the drive. and the reason we have 13 wrestlers is because we choose to do that so every kid has a chance to learn. my name doesnt make anything more credible. . make you feel better now.

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the point i was trying to make is that kansas needs to look at this and figure out what they can do to make better tournaments so teams dont have to cancel. maybe try and keep costs down and not so many in the same area at the same time. if i can drive to oklahoma and wrestle top caliber at a small tournament then thats what i will do rather than wrestle in kansas and spend more money. just doesnt make sense to me. but you all can do what you want. i was just trying to make everyone see some things that kansas can work on. if thats bad then my fault and i wont talk about it again. dont know what your input was sportsfan but whatever you say.


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Please do not use profanity and be careful with the name calling this is a public site with young eyes.

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Then please put a end to sportsfan02 bashing everyone's post i think everyone is getting tired of it!!

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im pretty sure every kid in a wrestling room has heard something worse than what i said. so i wont even comment on that. like mike said sportsfan bashes everyone but has no name and i dont deal with people like that. he is what i said he is and thats that.


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Originally Posted By: Mike Dipman
Then please put a end to sportsfan02 bashing everyone's post i think everyone is getting tired of it!!

So disagreeing with someone's views is bashing?


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Originally Posted By: bockman
im pretty sure every kid in a wrestling room has heard something worse than what i said.

Likely another reason you only have 13 kids in your club!


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Like I said before we have a small facility and choose to stay small. so if you have a problem with that why dont you come meet me at one of the tournaments and we can deal with that problem. I have been to several different clubs since my kids have started practicing some big and some small and have heard those words in every setting so get over it. its easy for someone like you to sit there and spit on another persons thread when you dont post your name. i have seen you talk smack to cokely and every other person here but still not able to post your name. thats ok there is one of you in every group now that we all know it wouldnt be too hard to find out who you are and what you are trying to do. hope you enjoy bashing everyone cause it will catch up to you one of these days. by the way our club will never get over 20 kids with 5 coaches cause thats what we choose to do. take that ratio and see what other clubs have that and watch in the next 3 years and see the ratio of success. now go bash on somebody else.


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Originally Posted By: bockman
its easy for someone like you to sit there and spit on another persons thread when you dont post your name. i have seen you talk smack to cokely and every other person here but still not able to post your name.

If you think what I post is smack then you haven't been to any other message boards. But I do at least have the common sense and class not to post obscene language on a youth board!

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so if you have a problem with that why dont you come meet me at one of the tournaments and we can deal with that problem.

I don't know how that would be possible, because I only go to Kansas tournaments, and you only go to Oklahoma tournaments.


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no i do go to kansas tournaments so that should be easy. now you having the guts to show your face to someone might be the hard part. i will be in derby so please introduce yourself to the entire place on the mic so we know who you are. that would be gutsy for you to do. i dont think you have the you know what since i cannot post obscene language on this open forum or is it a youth board. im done with you unless you would like to meet me in derby and take care of it. i will only talk with people that have the nerve to tell me who they are


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Really there are only a few Kansas tourneys that provide a high level of competition it seems at every weight, and those are Salina, and the Classic tourneys, Western Kansas and Wichita. But they both charge $20-25 for entries as well. Don't have the high cost of coaches' bands, but Salina does charge you for extra bands, based on your number of entries. Maize tourny seemed to bring in some good ones also. Derby, same thing, just a little short of hte Classic and Salina. Bottom line is, you ARE going to pay more to go find better competition. Ted Anderson was and always is a heck of a tourney, $16 entry fee, plus $10 for floor passes over the allowed number per team. You spent $40-50 for gas, plus your meals. You could have stayed closer to home and gone to Hillsboro for $15, less gas, no coaches band $, but still paid for meals, and hope that your bracket was one that provided stiff competition. Correct me if I am wrong, but part of your argument was that you could go to OK and get better wrestling for the same money, and that isn't the case. If I am wrong, correct me. I have chosen over the years to spend more money to go to where the competition. I am not dumb enough to think that it wasn't going to require some sacrifice of time, money, and bruises.

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we wrestle in oklahoma every year, and have for the last 10 years. the only tournaments that are tougher are the kickoff and tulsa nationals. and those two are defenitely not low expense weekends. i fully believe that if you want to be the best you have to wrestle the best, but oklahoma kids aren't any tougher than kansas kids. i know that isn't the point, but the problem is that kansas tournaments usually tend to cancel each other out. and last point i will make is to sportsfan02, it's bashing because you continue to go, and go, and go. make your point and move on, and people will quit thinking that you are attacking them personally. they will believe, that you are "simply disagreeing" with their point of view.

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Originally Posted By: suckerpunch
we wrestle in oklahoma every year, and have for the last 10 years. the only tournaments that are tougher are the kickoff and tulsa nationals. and those two are defenitely not low expense weekends. i fully believe that if you want to be the best you have to wrestle the best, but oklahoma kids aren't any tougher than kansas kids. i know that isn't the point, but the problem is that kansas tournaments usually tend to cancel each other out. and last point i will make is to sportsfan02, it's bashing because you continue to go, and go, and go. make your point and move on, and people will quit thinking that you are attacking them personally. they will believe, that you are "simply disagreeing" with their point of view.

I think you will find more often than not that I am the first to let a debate end. I have both the interests of the message board and at times feel sorry for the person who is making themselves look foolish. This case in point, I think you will find I responded to his original question with fact and opinions. It was he who decided to get snarky. As to your point about Oklahoma vs Kansas tournaments you are 100% correct in your assessment! wink


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Don't forget USJOC, which at times has brackets as tough as Tulsa.

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good call doug, we don't make it down there too often, only 2x, but overall did not have the competition there. maybe teams that are in the same region should get together and put on tournaments together, this would bring the level of competition up for sure. the only problem might be room for bigger numbers.


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The problem is, each district (with the exception of District 1), only has enough wrestlers to hold one tournament a weekend. Even when you get neighboring district tournaments it gets dicey. Then when each kid who needs some additional competition goes beyond our borders and drags 5 or more buddies with him, the prospects for having enough entries here at our local tournaments lessens. The top 1% of our wrestlers who might need to travel don't hurt us locally but again, it's all the extra kids the parents and coaches convince that they can only get better by going away from home.
As I have said since the inception of this board, if you want your wrestler to get better competition, simply bump them up an age group or weight class and stay close to home. At the very least, don't take the rest of the club or your buddies and deny the Kansas clubs the entries to continue to operate. If you do decide to travel far away, then don't come on here and complain when tournaments are forced to cancel due to lack of entries!


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