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Originally Posted By: allaroundwrestli
That's why there is Novice tourney's , if you come to open be prepared to wrestle open regardless if you get pinned in 15 seconds. Stay off your back.


Respectfully disagree. The kid getting pinned in 15 seconds didn't sign up for the tournament. The kids parents did. I feel ripped off when we go to a tournament & one of my boys gets a total of 1:00-2:00 mat time in 3-4 matches. A bracket full of sharks & a bracket full of.... well not sharks is better for all when available IMO.


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Originally Posted By: allaroundwrestli
That's why there is Novice tourney's , if you come to open be prepared to wrestle open regardless if you get pinned in 15 seconds. Stay off your back.
I agree if you come to a open tournament be ready to wrestle a open class wrestler. My point is if you have 4 state placers & 4 novice wrestlers make two 4 man RR brackets. I dont see the down side. Come on Turner have a heart. LOL. See you around.


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Originally Posted By: BLT
I like RR for the mat time!


We went to a tournament last year, the Effingham Open, my 12 year old had a 4 man round robin; yawn yawn boring boring. NOT really; out of that bracket, the kids all went to state & took 1st Braden Dipman, 2nd Josiah Seaton, 3rd Khamin Crow, & 5th Alex Cavanaugh. Definately good mat time. You never know what your going to find at some of these little kansas tournaments.


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Ok , I have a question. So many time's people say you are disrespecting another kid when you get mat time and run up the score that you should just pin them and get it over with or they say your trying to show off if you run up the score.What is your opinion on this? A couple of week's ago my youngest wrestled a total of 59 seconds in 4 matches, I told him not to mess around cause those were good wrestlers and anything could happen.
Luellen I do have a heart lol.

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I dont think its disrespectful. I am not saying let up in a match. Its a combat sport. My boys cut kids & take them down for mat time. They do it for take down practice. If I see the other kid start to get humiliated I ask my boy to pin them. I dont want my boys taking down a kid that is crying & giving up, that can be a little disrepectful in my opinion.


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ok i guess what do i need to get through to some of you. can you not make enough money on novice tournaments to support your clubs. i dont know i dont do tournaments. we dont even have a facility. we practice in a shed turned into a wrestling room. i kinda like what doug said is maybe some of the smaller clubs need to get together and run one big tournament the size of derby and maize. I think we need to do a series maybe with sprawl or park city, salina and western kansas classic. then spread out these smaller tournaments throughout the season. i dont know if that will solve anything but i dont see what it would hurt. i go to the tournaments for the competition and my kids go for the hardware. the medals that ted anderson tournament gave out are the biggest i have ever seen. just some ideas. i still do not think that on the bigger venues that we need to charge over 20 dollars a kid 25 for coaches and parking fees. if you make it good competition with lower prices im sure you will grow each and every year. it will start out small if its over priced.


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Tournaments in Kansas are just fine. We attend the Oklahoma tourneys every year until the Kansas tourneys start. Yes the competition is great, but it is great in Kansas also. We don't need a Tulsa, USJOC, or Salina style tournament every weekend. These tournaments are special because they are big and competitive. Three or Four big Tournaments a year are fine. If you want more follow the National Circuit. We definately don't need Big Brother telling us who can and can not have tournaments.


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I agree we don't need a huge tournament every weekend,but bigger brackets would be nice!!!!! Even your "A" wrestlers might only have 6 kids in his bracket, now with a bye in an 8 man that leaves 2 matches for the day, granted you make the finals. Combine "A's" and "B's" together and "C's" and"D's" and lets get these brackets bigger for more mat time. I still like O.K. brackets 1 bracket for all. Wrestling is a sink or swim sport!!!!!


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Your gonna love your bracket this weekend then, it is stacked.


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all competative sports is sing or swim. there is a major difference between learning stages and competative and if you dont have the learning stages that would not be good. im not saying we have to have a big tournament everyweekend. if you read my post im pretty sure i said more novice tournaments to raise money a few more tournaments like derby and maize and spread out the smaller tournaments throughout the state so you dont have 3 tournaments on the same weekend all within 1 hour of each other. just like ark city. how many other tournaments are on this weekend. thats why every year you have a good turnout.


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Originally Posted By: PatrickCavanaugh
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I like RR for the mat time!


We went to a tournament last year, the Effingham Open, my 12 year old had a 4 man round robin; yawn yawn boring boring. NOT really; out of that bracket, the kids all went to state & took 1st Braden Dipman, 2nd Josiah Seaton, 3rd Khamin Crow, & 5th Alex Cavanaugh. Definately good mat time. You never know what your going to find at some of these little kansas tournaments.


Patrick,

Nice bracket! We went to Effingham a few years back and my son got three tough matches, including a MO wrestler, in a RR bracket. He lost one match (Bryce Shoemaker), won two close matches, and came home with a bum shoulder that knocked him out of competition for three weeks. I have know idea how it happened (woke up with it Sunday morning), but what I do know is that was a tough tournament and he had three quality matches.


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I've taken my boys to the Effingham Tournament for 3 or 4 years in a row now. My boys all seem to find quality matches. You just need to find the right tournaments to go to and you will find more than enough competition right here in Kansas.

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its not that there isnt enough competition right here in kansas. the whole point of my post was to figure out a way for kansas to have better tournaments. have a few bigger tournaments and more novice and spread out the tournaments so we dont have any tournaments that have to cancel. another point was to lower the costs of the bigger tournaments. good luck to you all the rest of the season as im putting this to rest.


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This is our 3rd year of going to OK tournys. We go because they start before the KS ones do, that is all. They are no harder or better, they just start before the KS season starts. We have been to 6 or 7 since Oct. Most have been very small, 300 - 400 kids. I don't know what all this talk about Edmund is. Good tourny - 650 kids but it was not a "mini national". They did have a GREAT hospitality room for coaches! I think most peps go to OK because they start before KS. I also like small tournys! so what is the big deal? Go to OK before KS starts then come back. Same level of kids.

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I would totally agree with you on the "same level of kids" and that wrestling does start in OK before KS.

I can't say the talent has better depth than MO or within our own state. We have some very talented wrestlers that do know how to swim with sharks and ones that are learning how to attack like sharks!

I'm just under the impression that in the late 80's early 90's it was all considered at the District Meeting who would have their tournaments when and what conflicts would be indicative of regional infringement. Seems that there are many more tournaments to choose from these days as well as many more novice tournaments to become initiated to the sport.


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Originally Posted By: in it to win it

I'm just under the impression that in the late 80's early 90's it was all considered at the District Meeting who would have their tournaments when and what conflicts would be indicative of regional infringement. Seems that there are many more tournaments to choose from these days as well as many more novice tournaments to become initiated to the sport.

The only difference between those years you mention and today is, at least in district 2, back then if a club bid on hosting a qualifier they had to declare if they were going to have an invitational. If they said they were having an invitational the rest of the clubs would vote for another club to host the qualifier. This had the effect of at least potentially freeing up two more weekends for clubs to have invitationals without a conflict with another district club. For whatever reason this was discontinued.


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i don't think that the district or state need total control, they just need to help organize. they are there for support, you are right they don't need any more power, but someone needs to get us all rowing in the same direction.


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Originally Posted By: suckerpunch
i don't think that the district or state need total control, they just need to help organize.

I just don't see what if anything the district or state can do. Our club for several years has had a policy that if a club is hosting a qualifier AND an invitational we refuse to support their invitational regardless. We will travel out of district or even take the weekend off so as not to support those clubs that do this.


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Suckerpunch is right on the money!
Don't let the state or district have control of this but we need to come together as a district and better organize ourselves.
This will spread out the tournaments & make the competition within the district come together and make for much stronger and bigger tournaments.

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that's kind of harsh sf02, i know when pittsburg gets the gym at pitt state that they are charged quite a bit of $ for rent, the university takes concessions, and the club spends a ton of time and hard work, for very little if any profit. they host the tournament there for the kids, better mat space etc. there are alot of clubs that host these tournaments at college gyms, maybe you should make sure that they actually MAKE a profit before you make such a blanket policy. if we don't constantly try to better our situation we are failing the KIDS. this has been a good discussion, even though it started out kind of dicey. good ideas and thoughts, many different points of view.


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