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In the 132 final at the Johnson County Classic, the winner blew a kiss to his cheering fans and his team was penalized a team point.
Incredible...
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That seems a little over the top. I understand the throwing of headgear, kicking the scorers' table, having a profanity attack ...... but blowing a kiss to your fans?
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celebration vs. temper tantrum. consistency. have seen alot of this lately, celebrations, being seen as taunting. tough call!
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In the 132 final at the Johnson County Classic, the winner blew a kiss to his cheering fans and his team was penalized a team point. As I understand the matter from an unsolicitated email which I received asking for clarification of the rule, the SME wrestler pinned his opponent and in his exuberance blew a kiss to the crowd while on the wrestling mat prior to the end of match procedure. The action was likely in violation of rules 7-4-2, 7-5-3, and 8-1-4. Rule 7-4-2 states: Unsportsmanlike conduct involves physical or nonphysical acts and they can occur before, during or after a match. It includes, but is not limited to, such acts as failure to comply with the direction of the referee, pushing, shoving, swearing, taunting, intimidation, baiting an opponent, throwing ear guards or any other equipment, spitting and the clearing of the nasal passage in other than the proper receptacle, repeatedly dropping to one knee to break locked hands, indicating displeasure with a call, failure to keep shoulder straps up while on teh mat and failure to comply with the end-of-match procedure. Continuing acts of unsportsmanlike conduct or any unsportsmanlike conduct may be construed as flagrant misconduct. NOTE:The NFHS disapproves of any form of taunting which is intended or designed to embarass, ridicule or demean others under any circumstance including on the basis of race, religion, gender or national origin.
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In the 132 final at the Johnson County Classic, the winner blew a kiss to his cheering fans and his team was penalized a team point.
Incredible... Did you return the kiss? But more important is the fact you fail to understand good sportsmanship and teaching our youth to win with dignity and respect for their opponent. To be crystal clear, I find your response not surprising but disappointing.
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It is a judgment call. If I were coaching, I'd coach my kids to follow the end of the match procedure (shake hands) and get off the mat without any extra-curricular actions. Then, once off the mat, give your high fives, blow your parents a kiss, say "whoopee, I won" or whatever else you want to do (without being unsportsmanlike in doing so off the mat). Officials try not to pay much attention to what goes on off the mat.
When you do this sort of thing right after a match, while still on the mat your actions might be viewed as being directed towards your opponent or his coach, or his fans. Instead of a sign of gratitude or whatever it was supposed to be, it might be penalized as taunting.
Most officials, and certainly the fine crew that works the Classic, should be able to discern the difference between typical high school enthusiasm after winning a finals match and something that is meant to be demeaning.
And officials do make mistakes. I made one in 1996.
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Rule 7-4-2 states: Unsportsmanlike conduct involves physical or nonphysical acts and they can occur before, during or after a match. It includes, but is not limited to, such acts as failure to comply with the direction of the referee, pushing, shoving, swearing, taunting, intimidation, baiting an opponent, throwing ear guards or any other equipment, spitting and the clearing of the nasal passage in other than the proper receptacle, repeatedly dropping to one knee to break locked hands, indicating displeasure with a call, failure to keep shoulder straps up while on teh mat and failure to comply with the end-of-match procedure. Continuing acts of unsportsmanlike conduct or any unsportsmanlike conduct may be construed as flagrant misconduct.
I'm glad you posted the rule. His action in no way violates this language. The wrestler I'm speaking about is one of the most considerate and positive kids I know. He routinely congratulates his opponent after a win or a loss. Over ten times during this tournament and ironically the very next match on that same mat, the winner celebrated by pointing to his parents and fans in the stands.
Richard, has your son ever pointed to his fans after a victory?
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It must be a judgement call, which can't be argued. I recently saw a wrestler win a huge match, and after shaking hands, he turned and gestured to the home crowd to get louder before he ever left the mat. No call was made in this instance.
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Obviously, I was not there, but could it be the official thought/had reason to believe the kiss was being blown elsewhere for other reasons?
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He was clearly pointing to his family and fans. At the very least the call was NOT consistant. Wrestlers pointed with both arms to their fans all day. This happens every single tournament.
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Richard,
If anyone other than Eric woudl have made this post it would not have even caught your attention let alone brought out your penchant for being the ultimate interpreter of rules. In spite of the fact the you were NOT in attendance nor have you viewed any video you immediately take sides with an unsolicited email... Shame on you. Take a deep breath and quit challenging Eric everytime he puts his opnion out here.
The simple fact of the matter is that a great number of officials have become arrogant morons in the metro area. Why? Because the lazy AD's do not care to personally evaluate the performance of said officials and they go back to the same well every year. There is NO rotation and the "assigner" does not fairly distribute the jobs. It is a pure good ole boy system and it is terribly broken. There are a number of officials who need to ride off into the sunset but no one has the balls to tell them to do so. The area supervisor is spineless and sucks ups to the same clowns tournament after tournament, year after year. If you SUCK as an official there is no accountabilty and idiots like jackmybologna don't even care to get better they just want to be a part of the show. Who cares if they suck and screw kids and teams it is all about the fat or old man in the stripe shirt. Who cares if a kids works his tale off for five or six days a week year round while most of these guys sit around doing NOTHING to get better but block the youth from getting into the game by hogging all of the assignments.
Give me two years at the helm of Kansas officiating and we will improve the quality and consistency 100%. It isn't hard but it takes a person who has integrity and transparency. No favors!
Back to the topic. Find someone new to pick on Richard.
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Give me two years at the helm of Kansas officiating and we will improve the quality and consistency 100%. It isn't hard but it takes a person who has integrity and transparency. No favors! If you'd taken Rick Bowden's job you could have straightened it all out.... 
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I will vote for you Will. Although the majority of officials are good, a few give the rest a bad name. A system of accountability would only further show the good officials that they are indeed doing a good job. The lesser officials would be given items to work on to improve. I get a yearly evaluation at my job and they give me praise for my strengths and areas to work on. I don't know why anybody would be threatened by that.
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Give me two years at the helm of Kansas officiating and we will improve the quality and consistency 100%. It isn't hard but it takes a person who has integrity and transparency. No favors! If you'd taken Rick Bowden's job you could have straightened it all out.... I submitted my cover letter, resume, and your prewritten announcement. I would have done the officials part for free! I waited every day for a call but the Crystal Tower in Topeka never reached out.
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Along the lines of the ADs and their failure to evaluate and get rid of bad officials...while there's nothing formal, and its not the ADs, I think its pretty well-known that if an official ticks off a coach, that coach has a whole lot of influence in keeping that official from coming back to that school. For example, if School X is the host of a big event, and the official gets cross-ways with the host coach, all it takes is a call to the assignor saying "don't send Bob back here next year" and that deal is done. In fact, some tournaments are assigned by the coach himself bypassing the ordinary method. So in practice, the coaches are policing who gets to officiate. Keep the coach happy with your calls and you are home free. Of course, that raises its own set of problems and concerns, but its not as though there is not some oversight going on. Someone wishing to influence how assignments are made might want to be lobbying the coaches for a change. But my guess the coaches are content with who is showing up or they'd have made the change already.
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Give me two years at the helm of Kansas officiating and we will improve the quality and consistency 100%. It isn't hard but it takes a person who has integrity and transparency. No favors! Love the enthusiasm, but really don't think you would make that quick of a turnaround. I mean you already spend more time coaching the officials than coaching your wrestlers, and yet we still have all these problems. Maybe the crystal tower in Topeka loved your resume, but felt the results of your efforts were lacking. What I really think is happening, is officials in all amatuer sports are overcompensating for the actions of professional athletes. We have all seen worse than "blowing a kiss" as far as celebrations go. I also think we have all told our kids "don't leave it in the referee's hands". Get off the mat! then celebrate. Sounds like everyone in this situation could learn from it.
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I really do not think it was that bad of call. The ref cannot know where everyone's family is sitting and it stops things from getting out of line early. But, regardless of what your opinion on the call is, it does not excuse the rudeness I have seen. It appears we are teaching the kids who read this forum that being rude is ok if you believe you are right.
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I think it was a cumulative penalty point, it was a pretty heated match, excessive pushing off the mat, yelling at the opponent when he was taking injury time. I don't have a dog in the fight, but I didn't see a problem with taking the point.
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Apparently, just having your hand raised following a victory is no longer good enough for these kids?
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Not that I agree with it, but I bet half of the state finals matches the winner points to his fans.
I'd like to see a kid shake his opponent's hand, shake the coaches hand, get off the mat, then do his celebrating.
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