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#207717 08/05/12 02:36 PM
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What FS/GR rules could be put in to Folkstyle....?

-pushout rule
-winning by periods (would be difficult with ref position & choice)

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I like the push out rule for folk style! It was create more action and this would be one like commonality between the styles.


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The push out rule would help w/ stalling and how about taping ring worm instead of disqualification, especially at regionals and state.

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I like the push out rule for folkstyle. Also, how about the down position? After so long they go back to their feet instead of spending the whole period on the mat?

I would also like to see the roundhouse kick brought back into play.

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-Push out would be awesome!

-I agree on the ring worm as well. Cover it up don't DQ. It's no different than athletes foot. You can cover that up and wrestle!

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i HATE the push out rule in any style, but I do agree the skin rule would be nice to just cover up and continue

... I also wouldn't mind some 5point tosses in folk style, in the older kids of course

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The push-out rule creates action! It makes you wrestle on the edge. There is not 15 restarts per match, kids backing out of bounds, or controversy on the edge. Adding the pushout rule would cut at least an hour from all day tournaments, make the officials job easier, and help close the gap between freestyle and folkstyle. It makes sense!

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Originally Posted By: BJobe
and help close the gap between freestyle and folkstyle. It makes sense!
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We want to cut the gap between folkstyle and less popular style?

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I've been slowly persuading myself that the push-out rule being brought over to folkstyle is a good thing. I'm not absolutely sure but the more I think about it the more I like it. The problem with adapting to the international styles is that they tweak the rules so often it's hard to keep up....that I hate! I haven't put much thought to winning by periods (like fs) but I'm more hesitant with that. While it does create action every period I think it also would tend to create action then staling every period. You're more likely to sit on a lead when you only have to get to the end of the period. Coach Craig...I hate the thought of minimizing the importance of mat wrestling. We had that for a long time up until the last few years. Now most of the good wrestlers can wrestle all three positions effectively. Now the roundhouse kick...that would really bring some excitement to the mat! Ha! If we are really trying to make wrestling more exciting it would be bringing it closer to MMA....not freestyle. Not that I am an advocate for that.

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When I say that the importance of mat wrestling was minimized I'm referring to the take 'em down...let 'em up style that dominated in the 90's and 2000's. It's the refs job to make the top man work for the turn/fall. Mat wrestling is only boring when that isn't enforced.

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Originally Posted By: ike
It's the refs job to make the top man work for the turn/fall.

The same could be said of backing up or stalling from the neutral position. If wrestling on the edge is a problem it can be fixed with better training of our officials. There used to be an official that would routinely, in state finals matches, whistle the first wrestler who backed up, in the first period. This after, like many officals, never whistling stalling until the 3rd period of all matches leading up to the finals. I didn't understand what the difference was in the finals and all the matches leading up to that point. Myself, I don't want to see wrestlers attempting to push each other out of bounds in order to gain a point. I want to see takedowns regardless of where or when they occur, as well as mat wrestling. If I want to watch push-outs I'll go watch Sumo wrestling.
Maybe I'm watching the wrong teams or classes or wrestling but it doesn't appear to me that there is anywhere near the amount of backing up or wrestling on the edge as there was in years past.

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Good point. I think you have a valid concern of it turning into a "rhino" match in less skilled wrestlers too. Re-directing a hard charging rhino doesn't take a ton of skill though and I think wrestlers would quickly adapt. I had the exact same reservations the first time I heard it proposed. The stalling rule as it stands is so subjective that you'll see officials call this from one extreme to the other. The more we can take officials out of the mix the better. There would still be bad calls on step-outs but it isn't nearly as subjective. The other thing that hasn't been discussed...I think the push out should only be applied to neutral wrestling. I'm still not totally sold either but it's an interesting concept to think about.

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You havn't watched many freestyle matches if you think the push out rule is like sumo wrestling. It CREATES action, forces you to wrestle on the edge, and INCREASES the number of takedowns awarded in a match.

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Okay...guilty! I haven't watched that many freestyle matches since the rule has went into effect. I think it creates action when it's skilled wrestlers. Now...imagine a couple average high school heavyweights...it's gonna have some Sumo resemblance! I still think it would create more action and be more entertaining than a double collar tie dance.

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Doesn't a couple average high school heavyweights already resemble Sumo wrestling? At least there might be more points on the board, and force someone to score!

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Forget the pushout, go to one supporting point to make it more like college and get them ready for the next level. They can work on their pushouts during the summer months. Folkstyle emphasizes and rewards mat wrestling, freestyle does not. Why should we mold our rules to favor another style?


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Freestyle rewards the aggressive wrestler, folkstyle frequently does not. Adding the push out rule would in NO WAY decrease the manner in which folkstyle rewards mat wrestling. If you believe it does, please explain. From what I saw in some state finals, having the push out rule would stop the wrestler who is ahead from getting an escape and running out of bounds on every good shot by the other wrestler. If would force him to keep wrestling. And, I understand what you are saying in that freestyle does not emphasise mat wrestling in the same manner as folkstyle, well adding the push out rule in and of itself, would not change that. You would still not put both wrestlers up if nothing happens in 15 seconds or so and you would still not allow locked hands and an escape would still be a point.

However, your point of allowing one supporting point is good, almost like takedowns in freestyle.

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We should mold our rules to make the sport more exciting, and more fan friendly. Takedowns are exciting, fans come to see that. The average fan is bored with riding. Riding time is killing college wrestling. If we really want to promote our sport, keep wrestlers in bounds, and force them to wrestle.

I agree the college out of bounds rule would be an improvement. If any body part is in, it's a takedown. I'm sure the officials would love it.

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If you added the pushout. It would not make sense to allow pushout in a top/bottom position. You would only be able to do it when both wrestlers are on their feet. In folkstyle you are trying to escape for 1 point advantage but in freestlyle/greco you do not.

Part of what makes each style great is that they are different, so I am not sold on the pushout in highschool. Maybe in college but not in high school. Let's teach our youth how to wrestle and not to just push someone out of bounds. Which I think would happen in a lot of high schools if push out rule was added.

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Adding a pushout rule is NOT going to turn wrestling into a pushing contest. It will CREATE pressure, which leads to MORE takedowns. You guys are so focused on the pushout alone. Focus on what it creates. When someone is pushing hard, it creates shot, throwing, snap, ect. opportunities. It makes you wrestle! There's nowhere to hide.

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