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#66949 08/09/02 06:43 PM
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I'm wondering - do Pyle and/or Drennan compete much once the regular HS wrestling season is over?

I see Kreigbaum, Gardner, Bork, Dyer, etc doing well at national meets over the summer and it makes me wonder what the likes of Pyle and Drennan are up to.

When I watched their finals match on TV, the announcers talked about them being nationally ranked. How can this be when they don't seem to compete in national tourneys? Just wondering.

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#66950 08/10/02 01:21 AM
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I am pretty sure he was talking about the USA today national ranking which is based on high school competition and performance.

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Off-season competition is important, but it isn't the best barometer of in-season rankings or results. Off-season stuff is more for improving technique for the important part of the year, and that can be done just as well at team and technique camps.

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Headraven,
You are right that summer wrestling isnt the best barometer for high school season results. If you look at the rankings though, you will notice that about 90% of the nationally ranked wrestlers are wrestling freestyle and greco. This leads me to believe that most of the coaches are turning away from teaching folkstyle during the summer to concentrate on the olympic styles.

What is the best way to go? I am not sure. The tournament that is now considered the most important in the nation for high school wrestlers is definitely Fargo. I like to see a kid that is a well rounded in all three styles. Greco obviously doesnt contribute to folkstyle success but freestyle does. The other great thing about wrestling freestyle and greco is the incredible amount of mattime that the wrestlers get. Most wrestlers get more mattime during the summer than they do during the high school season.

The one problem with wrestling the olympic styles is that you dont have much time to do anything else. Most wrestlers who wrestle in the summer dont play any other sports.

With that being said, it is obvious that Pyle and Drennan are doing just fine without wrestling freestyle and greco, but wouldnt it be good to see how good they could be if they wrestled the olympic styles also.

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That pretty much was my point. I think if you ask many of those nationally-ranked wrestlers, you will discover that getting into freestyle and Greco is a way to improve their folkstyle technique in the off-season and for many kids, that's helped a great deal.

My main point is that since many of these kids use this time as a way to improve the results of the tournaments are less important than what they learn in them.

And one other main point. Cael Sanderson has only recently (relatively so) gotten into freestyle competition, and he wasn't too bad.

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headraven take a trip to Fargo sometime ask the top wrestlers how important the results are. Cody Garcia, Tanner Gardner and Gabe Conahan all dropped weight from highschool season.being the best in the state is one thing being the best in the country is quite another thats what the top wrestlers are striving for.inseason,offseason,important season,differs from wrestler to wrestler especialy the top wrestlers just my opinion

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This is, I guess, an unsettlable argument, and frankly it should be; neither side is really wrong.

However, at no point did I say that summer wrestling is unimportant, or that good wrestlers don't take it seriously. I've been at this for 26 years and I know better.

But, while freestyle and Greco are excellent disiplines of the sport, it is your high school folkstyle results and talents that move you up the levels of the sport (kids to high school to college). No one ever got a full ride to Iowa, Minnesota or Okie State based on their kids wrestling results.

On the other hand, that very same kids wrestling -- folkstyle or Olympic styles --was probably a big factor in making you a better high school wrestler. Pyle and Drennen may not go to Fargo, but so far it doesn't seem to have hurt them any. I would guess they've both been working pretty hard this summer, wouldn't you?

#66956 08/19/02 02:36 PM
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headraven,

I don't know where you got your information about Cael Sanderson's involvement in freestyle & Greco Roman wrestling, but you've been misinformed. Cael won the Greco division twice as a Cadet and then placed third twice as a Junior. He won and placed second in freestyle as a Junior.

All of the Sanderson brothers competed in all three styles of wrestling (folkstyle, freestyle & Greco); in fact, the youngest brother was up at Fargo this year.

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headraven,honestly I know very little about full rides to major schools,but have been told Fargo has the highest concentration of college coaches and recruters of any tourn. in the country.this makes sense to me.wrestler "A" might be a multiple state champ could come from a week state, could just be a week weightclass in his state, or multiple state champs,but wrestler "A" wins or places at Fargo he's a STUD no easy weights, no multiple champs, regardless of weather it's freestyle or folk the young man is a STUD many state champs leave without medals around their necks,some without winning a match.to be the best you gotta wrestle the best. just my opinion, and yes I think many young men can and will do well without freestyle


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