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#12995 10/24/02 12:38 AM
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This is not meant to be at anyone personally, but the basic issue is, if you are in the you must travel farther and in the east you have a ton more kids. Since this sport is supposed to be about the kids and helping them reach their goals and have a fair playing field; the only logical solution is to have all the districts with the same amount of wrestlers or as close as possible. Of all of the factors this is the only one that is in line with our charters and goals as sponsors of kids wrestling. I agree with coach from wyco 100% The most discouraging thing I heard at the district meeting is that even if dist.1 votes to redistrict 2,3 and vote can against it and it will never pass. How fair is that? Combined with that that 1/2 of district is against it because they will have to travel farther as well. Let's put the kids first.

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#12996 10/24/02 02:16 AM
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I like the idea of of redoing the districts. District 1 has been very tough the last several years. I know this year at 12 under 76,80,84, 88, 92 pounds was stacked there was several state placers that didnt make it out of districts at thses 5 weights and I know one kid at these weights took 4th at districts and took 2nd at state and I know of another kid that took 4th at one of these weights (had to win in double overtime just to make it to state) and made the semi-finals at state before taking 5th in the state. Out of these 5 weights in district one 16 out of the 20 qualifiers placed. I just think redistricting would be good and I think it would help get the best 16 to state but whatever happens you still will have some districts that will be loaded at some weights but thats just the way things are.

#12997 10/24/02 03:45 AM
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This continues to be a HOT topic! One cannot base their opinions, on the competition for a couple of years, because it does even out. Every year at State there are at least two weight classes where kids from the same club meet in the finals. And often, all 4 placers from the same sub, place at State. Distict 1, I am sad to say, does not dominate the State tournament.

One has to give some credence to what Travius offered. If some subs and districts are just wrestling to determine there eventually seeding, then it is inherently unfair to other Districts!
While District 1 has a few unfilled weight classes, they are rare!

But one point brought up by some in our District is this ... certain clubs that were moved several years ago, to equalize the Districts, are the same that are being proposed to move this time. It is hard to feel very "wanted" if you keep getting tossed around.

The one fact that we don't have, is the actual number of wrestlers in each sub-district. This was recognized by John Terrell as being the key. While Travius did a great job of showing us the actual number of wrestlers, it is not comparing apples to apples! Our least attended sub in 2002 had 630 wrestlers in it! If some subs had 4 or 500, and that is a figure that has proven consistent, then we have a true comparision!

I am looking forward to quite a debate at State and propose to Greg Grater that we impose the 3 minute per speaker rule!! :-) Randy


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#12998 10/24/02 03:30 PM
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This was brought up to let District I know how lopsided the numbers were and to maybe help them with the crowd & length of their Subs.

There is no proposal to vote on so the other districts aren't going to vote it down. The numbers and possible solutions were give to Randy & District I so they could discuss it and get other peoples thoughts.

The other Districts were to tell their clubs just to let them know what is going on so they are not so surprised when there are changes later.

My opinion is that this something you don't vote on, you just change it (to make it fair all across the State) the following year after you let everyone know what is going on and they all agree on how to change.

As for who moves? We go by Counties and try to even the numbers up the best we can. If they move it is because of location and numbers nothing else. In High School some teams change every year from one district to another or 4A to 5A etc...

I think if we look at the numbers every five years then that won't be as bad with teams changing back and forth? I think it has been around eight years since the last change??

#12999 10/29/02 04:25 AM
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I am currently working on a proposal that I will share with everyone at the State meeting on 11-3-02. It will show a more logical view of a future realignment of district 1. One of the options that I have been working endlessly on is to put Wyndotte and Douglas Counties in dist.2 and Johnson and Osage Counties in dist.3, this I believe will make things much simpler. It will keep those high growth areas over there so they won't keep messing up our numbers her in dist 1.

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Please tell me you're kidding!


#13001 10/29/02 05:31 PM
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Finally, a voice of reason amongst all the chaos!!! LOL

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#13002 11/04/02 04:05 PM
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Working over the weekend and didn't make the State meeting. Did this subject bring up a lot of discussion? Are there any proposed changes?

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District I is content the way it is now. So at least for the next two years the Districts will stay the same.

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