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FHSU is hosting the MIAA Duals this Sunday in Hays. FHSU, Truman St, Central Missouri, and UNO will be battling.
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FHSU wrestles at 1pm, 3pm, and 5pm.
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We will be there! Looking forward to spending Valentine's Day watching wrestling. Does that make me crazy or what?
Think we'll celebrate with dinner the night before at Whiskey Creek in Hays. I understand one of the investors of that restaurant are wrestling parents.
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That would be correct. It is also a very good place to eat!!
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Go Tigers!!! Hope we have a good crowd on both Friday night and all day Sunday.
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We will be there Friday, Sunday, & again on Tuesday. Let's show our support for FHSU and pack the Coliseum with Black and Gold!
FHSU has a great group of young men and coaches!!!
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Hope everyone in NW KS will make an effort to get to Hays on Sunday.
The 15th ranked Tigers wrestle Truman State at 1:00, Central Missouri at 3:00 and #1 ranked Nebraska Omaha at 5:00.
Omaha is nationally ranked at all 10 weight classes. The Tigers are ranked at 4 weights and probably should be at another. Ought to be some great match-ups!
Let's pack the house and cheer on the Tigers!
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Fans can follow the top-ranked Maverick wrestling squad at the 2010 MIAA Duals on Sunday, Feb. 14. All the action of all three UNO duals will be available via a free live web cast at: [url=mms://live.upstreamnetworks.com/16345-60261][url=mms://live.upstreamnetworks.com/16345-60261][url=mms://live.upstreamnetworks.com/16345-60261]mms://live.upstreamnetworks.com/16345-60261[/url][/url][/url]
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Final ResultsOf note: 125 #4 Tommy Edgmon def #2 Terrell McKinney Dec 3-1 157 #4 Danny Grater def #2 George Ivanov Dec 3-2
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also of note the unranked Rencountre beats #4 Boehm for the second time this season.
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The Rencountre vs. Boehm match was very exciting and hard fought, but I thought the refs lost control of the match early on and never got it back. Not sure the outcome would have been any different, but I hate to see the match determined by so many penalty points. Also not sure the refs and table workers were on top of accurately tracking all those penalty points.
As I said first, very exciting match but wild in a bad way.
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Lou Ann, sounds like you witnessed several wild matches this weekend. 
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Not sure what you mean, but it was a fun time in Hays. (oh you must mean Sunflower League! Yes this weekend I saw 2 of the wildest matches I've witnessed in awhile)
For the UNO vs FHSU dual I happened to sit next to a very nice FHSU student who knew several of their wrestlers. His comments and input added a little extra interest to the matches.
I was very impressed with the FHSU fans - their crowd was very loud and proud of their team. It was a good dual and although I don't think the outcome was in doubt, some of the individual matches were exciting. FHSU battled hard and won some matches I would not have expected. None of the other matches came close to being wild in the way of the 184 lb match and I put that on the refs.
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Lou Ann you are correct on the #184 bout. My wife and I watched via web from the UNO web site. Chance Rencountre is a tough kid and cut weight to help the team after Tyler Gonzales (son) had shoulder surgery on December 19th. The angle we watched was from the UNO side and the voice mike picked up the UNO coaches and team. I thought their was confusion on several situations. I thought Chance had pin-fall. But I am a FHSU graduate and I know the UNO bench wanted a penalty call on stalling. It was a good dual and I just hope Chance knee is OK and he does not have to sit out this Wednesday night dual with Grand Canyon and UNK. Wish we could have been at Hays to support the Tigers. Saving that money. Tyler will be a sixth year Senior next year and hopeful the shoulder heals and we can go watch him wrestle next season. Good Luck to the Tigers on Wednesday night. Ole RMG
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Good to hear from you, Coach Gonzales. We had missed seeing Tyler this year and my FHSU neighbor in the stands told me about his surgery. I also hope he has a complete and successful recovery and is back on the mat next year.
We were fortunate to avoid the early fall. It is very difficult to overcome such an early deficit.
I saw a similar wild match last year while I was standing right at matside. In the first period, both wrestlers were given a penalty point and a brief, firm, private lecture for a slugfest. I was fearful that one or both or the wrestlers would be DQ'd for unsportsmanlike conduct. The ref was in total control for the remainder of the match. He stayed very close to the action and was ready to step in quickly if needed. He made sure the wrestling decided the match.
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I loved the Ft. Hayes dual. It seems that a lot of teams don't step up and challenge UNO (for good reason) but Ft. Hayes did (as did Augsburg) and UNO needs this every now and then. I do think it will be hard for any team to put together the necessary 5 wins plus bonus points it requires to beat them tho. UNO is just so deep at every weight. Their entire starting lineup is full of legit DI recruits and the backups could start for most DII teams.
I thought 141 was entertaining too. Morgan is so tough right now. 22 straight heading into regionals means he is on a serious roll. Too bad Harrison did not wrestle.
184 was the match of the day. I hope these two hook up again in Omaha. I will make sure I am not at the concession stand if they do.
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UNO is just so deep at every weight. Their entire starting lineup is full of legit DI recruits and the backups could start for most DII teams.
I know we UNO fans can be pretty full of ourselves, but it is a real testament to the Coaches and the program when guys choose to stay with the team as back ups when they could likely go somewhere else and start. I haven't been around forever, but I have not heard of any wrestler in recent history who left UNO to wrestle somewhere else. It is great to be part of a successful team that acts and feels like a family. In addition, as a Kansan, and from what I saw yesterday in Hays, FHSU is well on its way to the same kind of tradition.
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Anyone know how the FHSU heavyweight is? He's pretty tough to finish the match after whatever happened to cause his finger to point off in a weird angle. You could see his hand swelling and that he really couldn't put any weight on that hand after they taped the fingers.
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Just got back from Western Kansas this afternoon.
Fort Hays could have won that dual against UNO. Younkin lost 3-2 on riding time in a match that somehow he didn't realize he was losing. So, there was minimal action on his part and certainly not an urgency in the last minute. Sometimes there is too much wax in the ears. If Glenn had some fire in his belly he would have beat Madison. Glenn scored the only takedown and had a very questionable fleeing call that cost him a point while trying to break hands. Madison did a little acting the UNO coaches did a little lobbying. He sat on bottom for two periods though. That is dang close to six wins. I realize some other matches could have gone the other way too, but FHSU is right there on the hip. I'm saying FHSU wins the next two duals, wins the RMAC, and finishes in the Top 5 at the National Tourney. This is a tough team with 5 legit AA candidates and two others that have potential to put themselves there. Rencountre wrestled like a beast. I thought the ref's in that match were hoping for a game of pattycake. Let the men wrestle, it's college. Grinding in a forearm from the top position is being mean, not illegal. What a nasty lateral Chase threw on him!
Overall great performance by a team not many gave a chance.
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Fort Hays could have won that dual against UNO. Younkin lost 3-2 on riding time in a match that somehow he didn't realize he was losing. So, there was minimal action on his part and certainly not an urgency in the last minute. Sometimes there is too much wax in the ears. If Glenn had some fire in his belly he would have beat Madison. Glenn scored the only takedown and had a very questionable fleeing call that cost him a point while trying to break hands. Madison did a little acting the UNO coaches did a little lobbying. He sat on bottom for two periods though. That is dang close to six wins. I realize some other matches could have gone the other way too, but FHSU is right there on the hip. I'm saying FHSU wins the next two duals, wins the RMAC, and finishes in the Top 5 at the National Tourney. This is a tough team with 5 legit AA candidates and two others that have potential to put themselves there. Rencountre wrestled like a beast. I thought the ref's in that match were hoping for a game of pattycake. Let the men wrestle, it's college. Grinding in a forearm from the top position is being mean, not illegal. What a nasty lateral Chase threw on him!
Overall great performance by a team not many gave a chance. The thing about nationals is you can get help from other teams, or they can hurt you too. Just depends and that is what makes it hard to predict a top 5 finish for FHSU. It will come down to how many are still alive after the first day. For team like UNO they could have it all wrapped up at the end of Day 1 because they really don't need a lot of help. FHSU will need 5-7 alive and kickin' on the championship side to go Top 5. It will depend on what type of job their "Non-studs" do that first day. It is down right amazing how many times UNO wins those type of 3-2 matches you describe. Mix those in with the almost always bonus points they get at 133, 141, 149, 157, 174, 197 and they become hard to beat. Look at yesterday for example. Bonus points at 133, 141,174, 197 add in those close wins like at 149 and 285 and they become hard to beat. 125, 157 & 184 were according to the rankings all upsets and it is hard to depend on upsets to win a dual. That is why in a national tournament format other teams helping beat the top team can boost a team like FHSU up to a Top 5, if they also help themselves. #1 UNO 28, #15 Fort Hays State 12 125 - #4 Tommy Edgmon dec. #2 Terrell McKinney, 3-1 FHSU 3-0 133 - #2 Cody Garcia by fall Travis Kuhn, 1:59 UNO 6-3 141 - #3 Mario Morgan maj. dec. Aldon Isenberg, 17-8 UNO 10-3 149 - #3 Esai Dominguez dec. Levi Younkin, 3-2 UNO 13-3 157 - #4 Danny Grater dec. #2 George Ivanov, 3-2 UNO 13-6 165 - #7 Blake Malloy dec. Nathan Sigman, 2-1 UNO 13-9 174 - #2 Aaron Denson by fall Shawn Kuhlman, 1:11 UNO 19-9 184 - Chance Rencountre dec. #4 Austin Boehm, 13-9 UNO 19-12 197 - #1 Jacob Marrs by fall Steven Kyler, 1:52 UNO 25-12 285 - #2 Elijah Madison dec. Justin Glenn, 5-2 UNO 28-12 And since you mentioned the refs, were they all college refs or were some h.s. refs mixing in some college for the day? Seemed like a lot of uncertain issues on out of bounds, stalling and stalemates.
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Boy what a fun dual to watch. The crowd got into it and Mr. Momentum couldn't decide what he wanted to do. I think that Tommy set the tone right from the start, that we didn't come to watch. UNO is so tough at 133, 174, and 197 these guys are a step above most guys imho. FHSU needs all the fans to come out on Wed. night to show the same support as the UNO dual. GO TIGERS
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Your math doesn’t add up. The 4 matches FHSU won were by decision. UNO won 3 matches by fall, 1 by major & 2 by decision. The final result was 28 to 12. Even if the 2 matches you thought could have gone the other way had been won by FHSU the final would have still been UNO 22 to FHSU 18.
It is correct that the FHSU heavyweight scored the only takedown in that match and it was pretty impressive. However; you admit that he sat on the bottom for 2 periods and didn’t have “fire in his belly”. That is not how you win over Madison. I do honestly give him credit for continuing after the hand injury.
In the 149 lb match your assessment of him not being aware of the score, minimal action and no urgency in the last minute is pretty faint praise for a match you thought could have gone your way.
Ike - I enjoy yours posts, but I think in your well-meaning praise you were a little hard on FHSU. As I said, FHSU won more matches than many expected and as Spladle posted, they stepped up and challenged UNO, making it an exciting dual. I will be following them at Nationals. Heck, I’d even be glad to cheer them on to a 2nd place finish right behind UNO!
On another note, a couple of posters have mentioned the lobbying, etc from the UNO coaches. I want to share that in his 31st year of coaching; I am told that Coach Denney has given up a single penalty point for questioning a call. That’s a pretty impressive record of good conduct for a very successful coach and all round quality guy!
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Well aware of how scoring works. I didn't really elaborate. They could have won that dual had things gone differently including the two matches I mentioned. They are going to get bonus points in some of those wins but those don't have to be pins. You give Chance a pin (I'd love to see the video), etc.
I say it how I see it. I'm 100% behind the Tigers. That doesn't mean you have to stroke em.
I think the National tourney is determined by your studs more than your other guys. The others help but the big guns get you up the ladder. Look at Adams St...perfect example nearly every year they have a handful of guns that shoot them up to the top 5. FHSU has 5 guys that have a legit shot to AA, really even make the finals (Edgemon, Harrison, Grater, Malloy, and Rencountre). Kuhn and Kuhlman are definitely capable of bringing back AA honors. The others aren't so much of a threat but anything can happen with fire in the belly. IF you can pull out two wins you bring home AA honors.
I signed with UNO out of Juco's and have much respect for the UNO program and Coach Denney. It's the model program in my mind in many respects. Coaches are suppose to lobby the refs....nothing wrong with it. There is an art to it and they have the art down.
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Lancer Lou is correct about Coach Denney. He would not lobby for a point he did not feel his wrestler had earned. It just is not his nature. And in the one penalty point that he was given, he was right and the official was wrong. The official just wanted to prove that he could penalize a big time coach but he was so, so wrong.
As far as FHSU they are a much improved team from last year and even since National Duals. The team that UNO blew out last year at the same MIAA Duals, had a lot more fire than before. But to beat a team like UNO you need to do a lot to "shake them" up. As you saw yesterday they do not panic. I saw them answer the 125 win by FHSU with a pin at 133, a major at 141 and a solid win abiet close decision (they seem to get 'em when they need 'em) at 149. FHSU steps up with another upset at 157 and a key win over the UNO backup at 165. Once again no panic by UNO and they answer back with a quick fall at 174. FHSU again pulls the upset in the 184 match and now has the crowd on their side. At this time a weaker team could of folded but UNO showed their experience with another fall at 197 to clinch the dual and a decision at 285 that really did not matter.
Bottomline is the stoppers for UNO at 133, 141, 149, 174 and 197 showed why UNO is #1. FHSU is a much improved team over the 34-6 loss at the last duals. But make no mistake you must have "fire in your belly" in all of the matches to beat UNO.
I say hats off to FHSU. They wrestled well and are rapidly improving. Not at national champion level but definetly improving.
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UNO is head and shoulders above the field...no doubt. Can they be beat...yes, but not likely. Did FHSU wrestle them well...damn right.
I wouldn't call any of the FHSU wins upsets...they are rankings and non of those guys are like Garcia. Garcia losing to anyone is an upset. Ivanov to Grater...not an upset. Boehm to Rencountre...he's beat him twice this year. A 5th year Senior and returning national finalist over a freshman...not an upset. Rankings are rankings...we all know that.
UNO will win another National title in all likelyhood. FHSU is a very tough team right now and I'm saying top five finish.
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Oh...didn't mention Harrison was out at 141 and a 133 pounder gave Mario a scare several times.
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I guess you could have a point about the term upset. But I was just going off the rankings. Definetly 184 WAS an upset though. Unranked beats a former finalist and current #2, upset. But yeah rankings are rankings-someones opinion. I just used them for what they are, a reference point. I guess tho if you beat someone twice maybe it is NOT an upset. Let me think about that one ike.
Boehm is a sophomore, not a senior.
ike, did you ever actually wrestle for Coach Denney or did you go elsewhere after JUCO's and what weight class were you at the time.
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Oh...didn't mention Harrison was out at 141 and a 133 pounder gave Mario a scare several times. haha...I doubt Mario was scared. He might be the coolest one on the UNO team. He doesn't ever panic. Remember the last 15 seconds last year in the MIAA duals when he won (with a fall)after the FHSU kid relaxed thinking it was over?. Not pretty but it definetly showed he doesn't panic. He definetly was not giving up bonus points no matter who was wrestling for Ft. Hayes. 22 straight wins since he was last at Ft. Hayes so he was ready for anything and anyone. And that 141 (He has 9 matches at 141-1 at 133 so he is a 141) for FHSU, Isenberg is no scrub but he was not about to Greco his way to a win against Mario a Illinois 3x Greco state champ. He was a legit DI guy out of h.s. (like Mario) so I think UNO expected him to wrestle hard. Once again UNO did not panic and got the major. BTW...what is going on with Harrison? Out for two weeks in a row? How bad is his injury and will he be back for regionals. FHSU is in a tough 141 regional. Really 141 is a 4 man championship race, Adams State, UNO, FHSU and Colorado Mines. Everyone else is fighting to AA. Still was a great dual for both teams.
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I was refering to Edgemon and McKinney in the returning national finalist fifth year Senior vs. Freshman. McKinney is tough but I'd favor Edgemon going into that.
141...Harrison beat Morgan the last time they wrestled. Morgan is capable of beating Harrison too though. Isenberg is wrestling at 141 but as you saw...he's a 33! Morgan may not have been "scared" but any man that is put to their back (even briefly) is concerned at some level. Harrison will be back at Regions.
Pankoke wasn't in...but his backup could AA now. Malloy can go with anyone. He's won 14 straight.
184's...It's dumb that Rencountre hasn't been ranked. He's won 14 straight too. It's like Wright from Highlands not being ranked and going to #1 the first time he shows up. I said Rencountre was a 5 through 8 finish at Nationals before the dual. I'm more inclined to say 1 through 4 now. Rencountre is just a Junior too.
Never wrestled for Denney. Signed a scholarship offer and got an apartment but life had other plans. I'd have been at 174 during 99-01. I sat out a year then wrestled at Syracuse. I've always pulled for UNO and the Kansas kids that head that way. Now I'm ready for FHSU to start keeping some of those Kansas kids in state! FHSU is much improved and ready for their best finish ever. Not a title team but a top five team.
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[/quote] BTW...what is going on with Harrison? Out for two weeks in a row? How bad is his injury and will he be back for regionals. [/quote]
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That had to hurt!!!! Now that is funny!!! LOL
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