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Someone is lambasting wrestling in the Lawrence Journal-World forum. Come help defend it if you have time. http://boards.kusports.com/showflat.php?...e=0&fpart=2
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To those of you who might want to help this h3llboy appreciate the sport of wrestling better, don't get discouraged if it takes you a couple of days to get your login approved by the Lawrence Journal-World forum.
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Vince I'm not sure stirring up trouble on what is in effect a ******ball board is the way to go about promoting your agenda or achieving your goal. My advice is leave the wrestling talk on wrestling boards. Even the level headed respondents present arguements we can't win.
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Originally posted by sportsfan02: Vince I'm not sure stirring up trouble on what is in effect a ******ball board is the way to go about promoting your agenda or achieving your goal. My advice is leave the wrestling talk on wrestling boards. Even the level headed respondents present arguements we can't win. I understand your point but my belief is that very little on that forum is going influence the KU Athletic Department one way or the other on adding wrestling teams to KU. I know I maybe exhibiting a little pettiness here but I think we all have at one time or another done that when someone has stepped on our toes. Besides, h3llboy is the one stirring up the trouble in my opinion and I would love to see some of our lads throw him in the pool to give him a head start on his next swimming race or give him a demonstration on the mat so he could learn not to hate wrestling so much. Bottom line though you are probably right so lads if you decide to get on that forum and discuss this issue with h3llboy please behave yourselves. Maybe Lew Perkins really is watching.
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This question was posted on the Lawrence forum directed to me. I do not know the answer to it. Can anyone help me out with a specific answer?
"Hey Vince, didn't one of the Caton kids go to Missouri and do really well? Seems to me I heard he was Big 12 champion, but I may be wrong."
Thank you,
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Clint Caton went to Missouri for at least a year, and then went to K-State. His success in college was limited, he had some narcolepsy issues i believe. he was an outstanding high school wrestler, monster sag headlock and tough as nails. His brother Curtis was a very good kid, as well as Chad. Casey (the youngest i believe) is now wrestling at Lansing High School and doing well as a young high schooler.
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http://boards.kusports.com/showflat.php?...e=0&fpart=2 There is more current conversation going on. If you are interested in contributing to the discussion promoting the establishment of an NCAA Division I team at KU, please click on the site and register with them to do so.
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Why non-revenue producing sports will not be introduced at Kansas Division I institutions. Regents Schools Propose Tuition and Fee Increases! Regents schools propose tuition and fee increases Wichita Business Journal by Lainie Mazzullo Six Kansas Board of Regents colleges, including Wichita State University, have proposed an increase to their 2007 tuition and fees. WSU's proposal asked the regents' board to allow an increase of $142.50, or 6.7 percent, per semester for undergraduate students. The request for the largest increase came from the University of Kansas, asking for undergraduate prices to jump $369.75, or 13.7 percent, per semester. Proposed increases to per semester undergraduate fees from other universities were: Kansas State University: $327.50, 12.8 percent. Emporia State University: $140, 8.5 percent. Pittsburg State University: $114, 6.4 percent. Fort Hays State University: $69.75, 4.6 percent. Kip Peterson, director of government relations and communications for the regents, says no final decision will be made on the proposals until a June 22 meeting.
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I'm not sure how comparable the two are, but I know the KU student body just voted to increase tuition and/or student fees in order to promote, among other things, non-revenue sports.
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Originally posted by LancerM: I'm not sure how comparable the two are, but I know the KU student body just voted to increase tuition and/or student fees in order to promote, among other things, non-revenue sports. The student fee increase which you refer was a $20.00 increase with $15.00 dedicated to the building of a new boathouse and the remaining $5.00 increase for womens athletics and other non-revenue sports. Students voted for a boathouse, what now?
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The student fees referenced by young Mr. Robinson are spent in the following manner: Pork politics
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Originally posted by RichardDSalyer: Originally posted by LancerM: I'm not sure how comparable the two are, but I know the KU student body just voted to increase tuition and/or student fees in order to promote, among other things, non-revenue sports. The student fee increase which you refer was a $20.00 increase with $15.00 dedicated to the building of a new boathouse and the remaining $5.00 increase for womens athletics and other non-revenue sports.
Students voted for a boathouse, what now? From the referenced article: "The Department of Education reported that the Athletics Department had $10 million in profit last school year. Only the University of Texas had more profits in the Big 12. The Indianapolis Star reported that the department was the third most profitable in the country."
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For additional information regarding the funding of K U athletics and scholarships: This fund is the primary mechanism driving the $10 million profit shown by the Athletic Department through the price increase for basketball season tickets. K U Athletics - Williams Fund
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Richard: The KU Athletics - Williams Fund site that you gave above states the following:
"More than 550 student-athletes benefit from your participation in the Williams Educational Fund. As a Williams Educational Fund member, you will enjoy unique benefits, fellowship and the pride that goes along with supporting a KU student-athlete with a quality education and the opportunity to compete on a national level."
I know that there are not 550 men basketball student athletes at KU so obviously the basketball profits are financing other non net income sports. The sad fact is that wrestling for men or women is not one of those sports at KU. We all know that basketball is the primary source of this 10 million dollar net profit that KU enjoyed in the 7/1/04 - 6/30/05 reporting year. By the way I anticipate that the net profit for KU sports will be even higher in the 7/1/05 - 6/30/06 EADA survey reporting year due to the adidas and ESPN contracts. As a KU alumnus and Kansas taxpayer who has bought tickets to several KU sporting events over the last 25 years including basketball and sent contributions to the KU wrestling club this past year, I would like to see some of the annual profit of the KU athletic department allocated to men and women wrestling teams. I think KU could do that and still have several million in annual profit left to continue to maintain KU basketball at its current level of success and beyond.
Richard, I have a question for you.
Is it your position that only a net profit producing sport should be offered at the college level?
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Originally posted by Husker Fan: Richard, I have a question for you.
Is it your position that only a net profit producing sport should be offered at the college level? The problem is not nearly that simplistic: Crumbling Campuses
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Richard:
These are some interesting articles that point out some current problems at universities in Kansas. I really did not take the time to read them until you did this last post on the Crumbling Campuses in response to my question to you. You did not give me a direct answer to my question though. I wanted to know if you believed non-profit sports should be started or maintained at an university (why do people call them non-revenue sports? Revenue is the receipts of a business or government entity. It seems that just about all sports would have some ticket revenue at least so how can they be considered non-revenue? I believe that I have used that term in the past but I do not believe it is the correct one to use).
Maybe the reason you did not answer me directly is that your purpose is simply to stir up conversation on this general topic of trying to influence KU, KSU or WSU to start NCAA wrestling programs and why as you see it that another non-profit sport (NCAA Division I wrestling) will not be introduced at our Kansas institutions. That is the statement you made on this topic on your 5/20 post. You pointed out with it the tuition and fee increases article. I read that post and thought there have always been tuition increases in my lifetime and no doubt since the beginning of every college and university including the ones that currently have NCAA Division I wrestling programs. I saw this as no reason for me or anyone else devoted to trying to get NCAA Division I wrestling at a Kansas school to give up trying. I felt your 5/20 post basically was the type that could discourage people from continuing to work to make it happen in Kansas.
Since your 5/20 post you have followed it up with articles on the KU boathouse article, pork politics, the Williams fund and crumbling campuses. I just read all of those articles. They are all interesting and point out some problems for our Division I Kansas schools. These problems certainly collectively will not make it easy to get Division I at a Kansas school. These problems or similar ones probably exist at every university in America today that currently have NCAA Division I wrestling programs. Again I see no reason for anyone to stop trying to get Kansas Division I schools to start wrestling programs due to these problems that you are pointing out from these articles. Do they make it more difficult? No doubt they do but not necessarily impossible. After all KU, KSU and WSU do all have non-profit sports in their athletic departments now with all these problems. We also still have several thousands of kids wrestling every year in our state of Kansas. I believe that they deserve the opportunity to wrestle NCAA Division I at their state universities. They deserve that opportunity as much as any other sport athlete like basketball, football, track, and baseball athletes. I believe that the Kansas wrestling community has to continue to fight and work to give them that opportunity in spite of all the obstacles that you have thrown out and I am sure you can come up with some more obstacles. If we don't continue to work towards that goal it certainly will not happen. Perhaps there is a lesson in your pork politics article that the wrestling community can learn from. With the decision making bodies, wrestling may need representation or to make ourselves heard often like that one group did that came back to the student governing body more than once to get funding and they eventually did.
Also you have pointed out some interesting problems with the articles you have posted on this topic. I really am interested in reading not just the articles but your opinions and maybe your solutions to some of these articles and problems.
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I find this tit for tat bickering very juvenile! My interest is in what ever happened to Mr. Wutizinski (SP) plan? I know he has his army! But none of us has heard anymore or at least I haven’t. The money is there… All the regent schools have purposed a tuition increase, KSU wants to build a parking garage, while paying a million five for a gangster to coach their basketball team.
I’m not very smart… but I can lift heavy things!
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Originally posted by parkwayred: My interest is in what ever happened to Mr. Wutizinski (SP) plan? I know he has his army! But none of us has heard anymore or at least I haven’t. They are a quiet army! They are sneaking up on this problem.
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Originally posted by parkwayred: I find this tit for tat bickering very juvenile! My interest is in what ever happened to Mr. Wutizinski (SP) plan? I know he has his army! But none of us has heard anymore or at least I haven’t. The money is there… All the regent schools have purposed a tuition increase, KSU wants to build a parking garage, while paying a million five for a gangster to coach their basketball team. On Ted Witulski's plan progress, I will tell you what I know. I know we sent Mr. Witulski well over 500 names which was the amount that he was seeking. We went over that number after Kids State. About four weeks after that I sent Mr. Witulski an e-mail inquiring as to when he was planning to implement his plan. In that e-mail I told him that I was getting asked that by a few people and that those people were concerned that we were going to lose the interest of people who had signed up as they were moving on to other activities after the end of folkstyle season. Mr. Witulski replied to me that he was in the process of starting a website that he intended to use as the base for his plan implementation and that is why he had not contacted everyone yet on any action plan. I have not heard anything else from him since. I will send him another e-mail this weekend and suggest to him that he should contact all the volunteers about his agenda for the group. I can understand why you are disappointed that we have not heard anything from him yet. I am too but I am still very hopeful that Mr. Witulski will deliver a good plan to us. I know many people spent a lot of time recruiting others and reporting the volunteers to Mr. Witulski.
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I ran across a post that Ted made on the Nebraska website regarding pumping up participation in freestyle and greco as well. It was very intriguing and aimed at some of the archaic rules about coaches contact with kids in the off-season. He is has thumb on the pulse of a couple my favorite issues. Hopefully he can help us channel things in the right direction. After spending a season helping with the KU squad, it is my feeling that the athletes and potential support are there, we just have to back it up with organization and effort.
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I will visit with Ted this week while I have his ear directly. I'm not making any excuses for him but this is a very busy time of year with the US Nationals and the World Team Trials!
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To be honest..KU..doesn't deserver a team there..the club team does not show enough interest in the sport. if any school deserves it..Kstate may be the only 1..and its not just because i go here, to be honest i'd go to any school that would offer D-1 wrestling. It is due to the fact that Kstate's community is much much more supportive in the wrestling community. Kstates club team is big and is growing mroe and more every year to where they should be pretty much forced to have a D-1 team. Ku's club team doesn't have near the amount of dedication or talent that kstate has.
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Kris, you have some valid points, but lets not make the mistake of comparing the situations at KSU and KU and saying one is more deserving than the other.
I admire KSU and feel that you guys are on your way to demanding recognition, but realize that having the other programs becoming as strong is just as important as an individual programs success . We need to work on supporting and developing all the NCWA teams in the state as well,,
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i wasn't meaning..only give it to kstate..i was just implying that as far as a major focal point. Kstate would be one your best bets to go off of per the points i discussed above. I think yes all NCWA teams are deserving, some just put more effort than others. it would be great to see it at KU, WSU, or KSTATE
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